Great new thread on Urien and Owain! Holding out for Gwallog to have swept in to save Rheged after the death of Owain at Morcant's hand. Nothing at all to base that on but hope for a more honorable memory in light of more contemporary morality.
Thank you, not much new or revealing info in that one, may do some speculating today. The marriage between Oswiu and Rhiainfellt probably saved Rheged from violent conquest interestingly enough, with Rheged likely being absorbed by Northumbria peacefully.
Often good to re-cap, clarify. Our favorite stories are worth dwelling on. Wasn't the idea that Trusty's Hill, Mote of Mark were destroyed in the conquest but now the evidence of destruction during 6th-7th Century is more ambiguous? The walls were fired, turned into glass intentionally?
And yesterday's Waste Land thread: kingly, redemptive, pictured white spring blossoms and shining armor, O Fortuna blaring... "Guards, knights, squires..."
I like this a lot better than getting apoplectically literal with 'terrible baskets' and all that.
Hard not to play the name-game though when almost all you have are some names. Throw on top of that a) the tendency of names to run in families, sometimes skipping a generation or coming from different sides in different generations and b) the varying ways of Romanizing/transcribing/transliterating the same names, again sometimes from generation to generation. I don't think I am the only English speaker thrown for a loop by how Brythonic words and names are spelled with the Latin alphabet. Gaelic speaking monks and scribes likely were too, I can't help but think. Then the Welsh at some point started putting G and C on the front of words/names with initial vowels. When is L really a Luh sound as opposed to a Huh sound? Is it D as in Duh or as in Thuh?
Welsh Orthography is honestly a little more sensical than Gaelic, which is just maddening. But yeah, family names were a common thing IMO, and especially naming after former pagan dieties (even Christian's still likely saw them as spirits ala the Tuatha De Danann in Ireland, as well as Ancestor Figures) But yeah there was no solid confirmed way to write names etc, at the time (and it's not like that isn't the case today either, i.e. the prevalence of alternate spellings for many names Kaylee, Kayleigh, Kaylie etc. for example) So you end up with a lot of confusion with borderline hereditary dynastic names and such, like with Vortigern's family, Vitalinus, Vitalis, Vortigern (with Vortigern possibly being named Vitalinus himself).
Great new thread on Urien and Owain! Holding out for Gwallog to have swept in to save Rheged after the death of Owain at Morcant's hand. Nothing at all to base that on but hope for a more honorable memory in light of more contemporary morality.
Thank you, not much new or revealing info in that one, may do some speculating today. The marriage between Oswiu and Rhiainfellt probably saved Rheged from violent conquest interestingly enough, with Rheged likely being absorbed by Northumbria peacefully.
Often good to re-cap, clarify. Our favorite stories are worth dwelling on. Wasn't the idea that Trusty's Hill, Mote of Mark were destroyed in the conquest but now the evidence of destruction during 6th-7th Century is more ambiguous? The walls were fired, turned into glass intentionally?
Late 6th, probably during Owain's wars. Giving his nephew more reason for diplomacy
And yesterday's Waste Land thread: kingly, redemptive, pictured white spring blossoms and shining armor, O Fortuna blaring... "Guards, knights, squires..."
Was stuck in my head all day after I wrote it.
I believe it! Lot better than something off the radio tho'.
Awesome! Thank you!
I like this a lot better than getting apoplectically literal with 'terrible baskets' and all that.
Hard not to play the name-game though when almost all you have are some names. Throw on top of that a) the tendency of names to run in families, sometimes skipping a generation or coming from different sides in different generations and b) the varying ways of Romanizing/transcribing/transliterating the same names, again sometimes from generation to generation. I don't think I am the only English speaker thrown for a loop by how Brythonic words and names are spelled with the Latin alphabet. Gaelic speaking monks and scribes likely were too, I can't help but think. Then the Welsh at some point started putting G and C on the front of words/names with initial vowels. When is L really a Luh sound as opposed to a Huh sound? Is it D as in Duh or as in Thuh?
Welsh Orthography is honestly a little more sensical than Gaelic, which is just maddening. But yeah, family names were a common thing IMO, and especially naming after former pagan dieties (even Christian's still likely saw them as spirits ala the Tuatha De Danann in Ireland, as well as Ancestor Figures) But yeah there was no solid confirmed way to write names etc, at the time (and it's not like that isn't the case today either, i.e. the prevalence of alternate spellings for many names Kaylee, Kayleigh, Kaylie etc. for example) So you end up with a lot of confusion with borderline hereditary dynastic names and such, like with Vortigern's family, Vitalinus, Vitalis, Vortigern (with Vortigern possibly being named Vitalinus himself).
Head-dragon? I thought Dragon-head?
It can be interpreted either way.
Interesting! Thank you!